Dreaded

[Mnil]

I want to ask, who exactly has to make his brawery test against Einhenjers. It looks like it refers only to models with fear/horror skill.

I understand that every model with fear and horror has to make test, even if it has hardened will?

What about models without fear/horror, but with hardened will?

What about non-living / undead?

PE:
GoreLord - ?
Obsydian Nightmare - ?
Longshadows - ?
Legio Mortum - ?
Meldire Monglers (with GL Intimidating Growl) - ?
Fallow Shaman - ?

Regards!

[Khazrak]

Why should models only with Hardened Will be required to make Horror tests? The Dreaded ability doesn't say anything about this at all. And when non-living/undead enemies don't cause Fear/Horror, then they don't have to test either.

[Mnil]

I want to get makers' answer

[spy]

Only models which cause either FEAR or HORROR are effected.
Hardened will or non-living has no influence.

Fear or Horror may come from Ability or from a mutation spell.

Effected Models so far:

Gorelord, Pestbringer, Gut-Hacker, Cyclopse, A Unit with Grotesque Abomination Mutation

Legio Mortum, Moloch,

Duskborn Chieftain, Feral Hammerfiest, Feral Fleshpounder

I hope I did not forget anything.

[Grimnir]

Hi,
IMHO you should add every creature to this list (Cerber, Bloodvarg etc.) because they have "build in" fear.

@ Mnil check forum before you ask question, there is a thread about it

http://forums.megalith-games.com/showthread.php?tid=200

Regards

[Huscarl]

The following is missing in your list, Spy: A Halodyne unit with the spell Warcry and any Wyldfolk warlord with the talisman Mirror Mask of Death.
Obsidian Nightmare, Lord of Decay.

@Dreaded against undead: there was a discussion about that some time ago, but there was not a conclusion yet.
I don't understand, why models with Hardened Will, but without Fear/Horror, should be affected by this ability.

But let's wait for David to clarify this.
Edit: ah, to late, Grimnir was faster.

[Mnil]

Yes, i probably found the answer

(01-17-2014 02:54 AM)David Wrote:  Dreaded will be clarified in a coming Errata.

All I can say until then is that in my opinion Dreaded would not work against models with Undead, Hardened Will or other rules which negate Fear and Horror tests.

[David]

(04-02-2014 11:11 PM)Huscarl Wrote:  The following is missing in your list, Spy: A Halodyne unit with the spell Warcry and any Wyldfolk warlord with the talisman Mirror Mask of Death.
Obsidian Nightmare, Lord of Decay.

@Dreaded against undead: there was a discussion about that some time ago, but there was not a conclusion yet.
I don't understand, why models with Hardened Will, but without Fear/Horror, should be affected by this ability.

But let's wait for David to clarify this.
Edit: ah, to late, Grimnir was faster.

Right, only models that CAUSE Fear or Horror are affected. We will calrify in an errata that Dreaded does not apply to undead because they are not required to take Fear and Horror tests due to their Undead ability.

Play it like that for now.

Need to also clarify Obsidian Nightmare's Abyssal Shade. For now, play it that Abbyssal Shade and Dreaded both work - so the Obsidian Nightmare and the Einherjer cause Fear in each other.

The Gods have spoken.

[Mnil]

(01-17-2014 02:54 AM)David Wrote:  All I can say until then is that in my opinion Dreaded would not work against models with Undead, Hardened Will or other rules which negate Fear and Horror tests.

What about Hardened Will + Horror/Fear on models like Warlords?

(PE Gorelord runs away once per 3 charges...?)

undead = no living in this situation?

[ArcusCalka]

Undead is something different than non living model!
And yes, warlords who cause fear/horror should also make horror test